Transcript: Jerry Brown

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RAY SUAREZ, HOST: This is TALK OF THE NATION. I'm Ray Suarez.

Jerry Brown was the governor of the most populous and richest state in the union for two terms. He's run two credible national campaigns for president. But given the reluctance about press and our culture to allow politicians to change and redefine themselves, even over the course of a long public career, he's been saddled with the reputation that I can only guess is a pain in the neck.

Even after all these years, the economists referred to him just the other week as "dreamy," and I can't imagine based on what. Jerry Brown has been one of the most controlled, well-defined, ferocious critics ...

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